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For those of us stuck in the Oughties

What exactly counts as "cross-posting" in the context of LJ's latest snafu? Because it can mean more than one thing. Does it mean if I see a fun post by a friend I can't link to it in my own LJ without (potentially) causing mayhem of some sort in FB or Tw? Everyone's all-a twitter about LJ's latest snafu, but I'm still not clear on exactly what it is I'm not supposed to be doing if I want to be a good netizen.

ETA: Well, I don't even have Feeb and LJ linked up because...why? My momma is on feeb, for heaven's sake!

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gehayi
Sep. 2nd, 2010 01:41 pm (UTC)
cleolinda explains exactly what it does here:

http://cleolinda.livejournal.com/901884.html
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 01:45 pm (UTC)
I still don't get it. So there's tweets on her twitter, what did she do that made those tweets happen?
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 01:53 pm (UTC)
So the issue is I might have my comments to your locked LJ entries cross-posted to my FB or Twitter where people can see at least the comment title, and maybe the first few lines of the comment, even if the link to the original entry is still flocked.
gehayi
Sep. 2nd, 2010 01:56 pm (UTC)
Right. Also, Facebook uses real life names, allowing RL people, like parents or bosses, to connect you and your screen name to things like slash and porn. (Not that I think that either should be an issue, but they will be for a lot of employers.)
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:03 pm (UTC)
I would never let an employer or coworker friend me on FB. I gotta have some place in my life those people can't invade.
yoshimi
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:15 pm (UTC)
see, whereas my FB is totally open to anyone i'm connected with, and that includes lots of colleagues, although almost no one in my first sphere of work-related-ness. i mean, it's got my real name on it, no matter what, people are going to find it and be able to see into it. whereas my LJ is ... you know ... my LJ. not name-associated, more private, and absolutely friends-locked. it's the place that those people can't invade. so i'd prefer if they weren't cross-pollinated.
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:26 pm (UTC)
Both my LJ and my FB are full of filters. My FB especially has everyone in separate groups and all my posts are filtered so certain friends can read certain things and not others. That way, I can post a fannish thing on FB if I need to without everyone I ever met seeing it. But my default filter on FB is close-friends-only. It would be absolutely no fun to use and pointless to have if I couldn't post freely and still give the appearance of being open to friending random acquaintances.

On LJ, I really just have the standard friends-lock, and it's mostly for posting posts with more personal information or pictures of family. There's a couple posting filters (girls-only, atpo-only) that I have used once or twice in seven years.
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:05 pm (UTC)
So does that mean it's safe for me to link to other people's LJs? My stuff won't get cross-posted anywhere, because...ewww.
cactuswatcher
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:16 pm (UTC)
I don't think linking is a problem. It's just that with the pingback feature, it's best not to say in a locked post "here's what that bird brain wrote (link here) because the person you linked from will get a notice including the sentence it appeared in if they have the feature turned on.
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
This assumes you are "talking behind their back" and not praising their post. I've often thought of putting a counter in my LJ that tells me who read it and what URL they came from (like perhaps someone linked to me w/o my knowledge), but it proved too time-consuming because you had to put it in each entry due to frames. And it was an indulgence. The ping-back feature sounds kind of cool, but you get what you ask for, knowing the good and the bad of what others might say about you.

Assuming they say anything at all. I'm of the opinion that for the most part, you'd discover no one is actually talking about you as you'd like to believe.
cactuswatcher
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:34 pm (UTC)
I was talking about links to entries. As gehayi explains below, linking to and cross posting comments is full of danger.
masqthephlsphr
Sep. 2nd, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
Which I hardly ever do, and would never do in a locked entry.
gehayi
Sep. 2nd, 2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
Let's say that you post a link on Twitter to a comment you made to someone's post. Let's also say that the post was locked and you didn't realize it.

This means that the link to your comment goes out to everyone following you on Twitter, and the link to the person's locked post is also visible on Twitter. Now, granted, since the post is locked, no one but friends can see it. But if anyone is curious, they can read and scan public posts, re-tweet the link with your comment, tweet the link to the person's journal, and so on.

She posted a test post here on LJ--first unlocked, then locked and clicked the "cross-post to Twitter" box on the post. She did the same with Facebook. Then she made a locked test post on LJ and commented on it with the cross-post to Facebook and Twitter to see how much of the original post is visible.

As cleolinda points out, the link to the comment and the comment itself are not good:

But the example in the explanation was "Oh, honey, he's an asshole, please leave him."

If any of that is in the comment subject heading or the first few words, and it goes out to your Twitter (accidentally or not), and Honey's boyfriend Asshole is reading your Twitter to keep tabs on you (and thereby her)... that's bad. He doesn't have to be able to get to the entry; in this case, the text of the comment/header itself gives away enough.


It's also a nightmare for anyone who's being stalked and who doesn't want any connection to their real name. Let's say you're being stalked by someone who knows your real name but not your fandom identity. The cross-posted comment goes to Facebook, and it says: "I need a restraining order."

What goes up on Facebook is this:

MASQ'S REAL NAME posted a new comment to "gehayi" at Livejournal.
gehayi.livejournal.com

TITLE OF POST, IF ANY, GOES HERE.
I need a restraining order.

20 seconds ago via Livejournal Comment Like

Right where your stalker can see it. And he can follow the link back to my post, find your screen name, find your journal, etc. You wouldn't even realize that your security had been breached.


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